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​The Apparently Unsolvable Mystery of Assumptions that Align with Rationality, Logic, and Common Sense Yet Engender “Face Palm” Discernment

5/7/2025

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Many Christians insist that conventional/traditional metaphysical assumptions—and only conventional/traditional metaphysical assumptions—are founded upon the bedrock of rationality, logic, and common sense. 

Such Christians assert that the assumptions they hold, assumptions consecrated and guarded by the majority of what constitutes mainstream/orthodox Christian institutions, are the only live wire to reality. These assertions are then supported by the further assertion that metaphysical assumptions that question or challenge tradition/orthodoxy are mired in grievous error. 

On a personal note, I would likely be far more open to traditional/orthodox assumptions if they were not consistently undermined by a mortifying lack of discernment by those who continuously proclaim such assumptions as irrefutably based on reason, logic, and common sense. 

Put another way, I sincerely wonder why those who profess steadfast alignment with reason, logic, and common sense routinely falter and fail in basic and rudimentary discernment, particularly when it comes to personal freedom, evil, love, honesty, and repentance.
 
Yes, yes, we are all fallen and limited. No one bats an average of a hundred when it comes to discernment. Yet there must be a point at which such excuses become threadbare and embarrassing. A point at which one must at least begin to question why one cannot live up to the reason, logic, and common sense of one’s professed assumptions.

​The individual is certainly part of the problem; however, the problem also likely spills over into the assumptions one holds as rational and logical, as the veritable epitome of common sense. 
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bruce g charlton
5/7/2025 11:48:37

"No one bats an average of a hundred when it comes to discernment. "

Indeed - but then nobody bats an average of 100!

Not even (the greatest of great) Don Bradman; who finished his Test Match career with an average of 99.9...


(Sorry about this comment - I am rather *enmeshed* in cricket at present with the Indian Premier League coming to a climax... or, even more enmeshed than usual.)

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Francis Berger
5/7/2025 11:53:38

@ Bruce - 99.9? That's superhuman! Of course, one could always take the negative "tiger mom" approach and ask Don what happened to other .10.

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Laeth
5/8/2025 14:19:36

Jesus did insist that we should judge a tree by its fruits, rather than its roots. a lot of this 'logic and reason' is just the opposite, and if we judge it by its fruits, oy vey!

anyway, i have always imagined Jesus facepalming at many of the reactions he got.

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Francis Berger
5/9/2025 06:20:11

@ Laeth - Fruits nots roots. That's very memorable.

I suspect some of the problem resides in the turning the teachings of Jesus into the philosophy of the ultimate/absolute -- a philosophy that then essentially diminishes or negates the significance of what Jesus created and offers. It's a strange and vicious circle.

The disconnect between philosophy and discernment struck me most during the birdemic during which nearly all the philosophy guys went along with church closures and pecking campaign; nay, worse, composed lengthy philosophical posts rationalizing or explaining away the disaster of church closures, lockdowns, and the pecking program. Things like, the Black Death was comparable to the birdemic, the church did nothing wrong by closing, Christians are morally obligated to peck themselves, the decision to get pecked was no biggie morally/ethically speaking because the peck was just another shot, and so on.

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Laeth
5/9/2025 15:54:49

completely agreed, as you know. recently i saw someone asking a perennial question which is: did Jesus ever claim to be God? and ofc, the answer depends on what is meant by God. Jesus never claimed to be the beyond everything abstraction, but he did claim divine lineage. it really is only a matter of reading what's actually there, but this is too much apparently. i don't even understand anymore what's the need for all this to be quite honest.

like you (and i suspect quite a few people), it was really the birdemic that prompted me to question all of it. if this trad religion business is true, how come it saves no one from being so wrong about the most basic things? and the answer is quite simple, as i see it now, it's all essentially meaningless. it provides nothing for us to live our lives at any level. not about our freedom, not about our nature, nothing at all. you can cut all of the abstractions and be left in the exact same place. it does not connect at all to anything. that's where i ended up, anyway.

Francis Berger
5/9/2025 20:14:02

@ Laeth - "if this trad religion business is true, how come it saves no one from being so wrong about the most basic things? and the answer is quite simple, as i see it now, it's all essentially meaningless."

I am of the same opinion. However, I am open to granting that trad religion served to some degree for earlier modes of human consciousness. That's not the same as to say that trad religion is fundamentally true, because I don't think it is. As the Grand Inquisitor pointed out, the bulk of trad religion served to "correct" Jesus's work.

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